I see. You made claims, you were proved wrong, now you call it a rehash. Nice spin.

As for being a liberal, I am probably closer to one than most democrats, including you. The meaning has been so twisted over the last few decades that it has become a dirty word the means leftist, except in the dictionary.

A true liberal is open minded, but doesn't necessarily agree with change that compromises his principles.

Today's so-called liberal leftists only want change that benefit them at the expense of everyone else. Gun contro hels no one except criminals, and there is absolutely no evidene that it reduces crime, while there is substatial evidence that it does just the opposite. Washington DC is he perfect example of a place where gun control started a murdering spree that made it the murder capital of the western world. There was nowhere near the violent crime when guns were legal there as there has been since the ban.

Britain, London especially, has seen violent crime skyrocket since the last bit of gun control. Gun crimes are up. Murders are up. Assaults are up. It is now considered the most violent city in the western world, but still doesn't beat DC in murders.

But gun control is just one issue the the so-called liberal leftists aren't too open minded about but wouldfurther restrict because they don't want free people to reman free.

Health care is a prime issue for the so-called liberal leftist. They actually believe it is a natural right, but one that they think others should spend their sweat on the care of those who haven't worked for it, just because they exist. The policy is working so well in Canada and Europe that their debts are as high as Americas and going higher (along with much higher unemployment), yet still don't provide as the same quality of care, all while having waiting lists to get some critical services.

Some think housing is a right, again, at the expense of others. How can any right be at the expense of someone else? It can't, because rights don't cost anyone anything.

Now what were you saying about twisted liberals? The bulk of the democratic party is twisted, completely confused about rights, pretending ones that always existed don't, while pretending to make new ones that are impossible to implement, except at the end of the guns they want banned.

And the other thread never petered out. You did.