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And this (if true at all) is due to their carrying guns? How? Look, Ron, the world is eloquent testimony to the idiocy of the Heinlein quote.


Char, again the proof of the above is the 38 states where concealed carry was instituted in the USA. Perhaps the USA is an abnormality, maybe it is not.

But hand gun control said there would be blood in the streets, shootouts at the stoplights or on the highways, killings, killings, killings and anarchy everywhere.

Char, I still have a lot of the propaganda put out by hand gun control in the 80's and 90's (I was on their mailing list because I sent them $3 once so I could get on the mailing list) and I was NOT, never have been, a member on the NRA (I am a member of the GDA, but they did not check their lists for that).

Char, is the news full of road killings, stoplight shootouts, etc? No. Is there news of gun violence associated with the LEGAL gun trade? NO.

(Are there stories everyday where police are arrested for shooting people for little reasons? yes. Do the police OFF DUTY have a killing rate 300% higher than the rest of the populace when it comes to killing spouses? yes they do. The cops are the ones who should not have the guns)

Char, I have been to places that are tighter packed than an airliner, with thousands of people, thousands of weapons, millions of rounds of ammunition, bayonets, Knives, swords, and boxes of gun powder and fuse material. And the people there were carrying 10's of millions of dollars. I have been to places like this over 3000 times (there are over 27,000 a year). Most people there are carrying and have control of personal weapons, many concealed.

Yet, char, everyone is polite, there is practically no attempted thefts ( I only know of 2, and both were quietly apprehended), I have never seen an armed robbery, not one person shot, knifed or run through. No one has been beat up, threatened, raped. There are no bombing, yet there are 1000's of nuts, yes char GUN NUTS! I have seen people in como, have loaded six shooters on their sides.

IT IS CALLED A "GUN SHOW"

But char, everyone is very polite, mostly friendly, easy to talk to. Why is that char? why is everyone friendly, why are there no shootings, robberies, rapes, pillage or plundering. I mean with all the nuts there, you would think it would turn into a war, would you not?

Again, your liberal failure to realize that guns, power saws, knives, explosives are simply objects, that can be used for good or bad.

And most of the killings in the united states from 1960 to present, are associated with the drug trade, not with everyday people like me, the gun nut. In fact, the criminal element is afraid of gun nuts, cause they shoot back, and most of the time, like me, are extreemly accurate (I was and am, a skilled sniper).

Char, the guns (via the second amendment) are here because some old white guys had just had a war of independence from tyranny. They understood tyranny, they knew armed civilians would not allow tyranny without a heavy cost, and very likely, tyranny would lose if tried. That is why america is still america 250 years later. That is exactly opposite of why they would allow guns to be carried on ships, the "airliners" of the 17th century. That is why the second amendment is there, to prevent ANYONE at ANYTIME to attempts to rob, kill or endanger citizens, yes, char, even at 30,000 feet. Look what happened when we took gun rights away from everyone on an airliner. MASSIVE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION>

Now knowing that, why do you think that the US government, the bad parts of it, did not want slaves or indians to have guns? Yes, so they could expant tyranny on the savages and 3/5 people. Hitler has no corner on the tyranny market. Yes, we did it here too!

Well enough of the history lesson. Civilians carrying guns on aircraft are no different than civilians carrying weapons other places, the 38 states with carry laws proved it. The success of the hi jackers was a direct proof that gun control is a failed premise, it leads to suicide and genocides.

Char, read your history, and learn.

allan