I'm up to speed, char. Shad said al-Malaki "wants us there. He wants his government stabilized before we withdraw." You followed with the quote stating al-Malaki wants 50,000 troops out by the end of the year. But that number is based on al-Malaki's expectations of Iraqi troops being trained and ready as replacements, as found further down in the article, but not included in your quote. That makes Shad and me right and you ... well ... misleading in your attempt to demonstrate al-Malaki just wants troops gone, period.

And, no, I don't wonder why you say that the GZ conservatives have a wide fascist streak. I explained quite conclusively just how that works, over on your Board. ;)

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All we are saaayinnng ... is give war a chance