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Feb 6 07 11:46 PM
Quote:char: "Iowan, when you're coming out on the short end of these things, you generally do just what you're doing now: make a lot of wise-cracking non sequiturs and attempt to change the subject."
Quote:char: "First, you are the one making a meal out of the "worthiness" of causes."
Quote:char: "I'm trying to make the point that however worthy a cause, if a war does not advance it, it was likely an error. This is especially true of optional conflicts like Vietnam and Iraq."
Quote:iowan15: "Since you believe that the sacrifice of US troops casualties should be 'commensurate' with the worthiness of the cause, how many US troop deaths were 'commensurate' in Vietnam then and how many are 'commensurate' in Iraq today, char?"char: "No US deaths were justified for the lost cause of keeping Vietnam divided."
Quote:char: "No US deaths were justified for the invasion of Iraq either. We were not threatened and it worsened terrorism."
Quote:char: "This is not because Saddam was a good guy or that Communism was great. It is because in neither case were those wars an intelligent way to reach the goals (when the goals were real, unlike the WMD scam)."
Quote:iowan15: "List those other wholly-unrelated-to-Iraq 'factors' for me, if you please.char: "There has been no repeat of 9/11 because:1) al-Qaeda threw all their reliable US assets into that attack. We can be reasonably sure of this because we've found no others even after the leads we got from the Afghanistan invasion and by other means. They simply didn't have the capacity. That had nothing to do with Iraq."
Quote:char: "2) US vigilance increased greatly, both here and abroad."
Quote:char: "3) The toppling of the Taliban deprived al-Qaeda of their base and a lot of their personnel."
Quote:iowan15: "So obvious that pretty much every single inteligence organization in the world thought it WAS true that the Iraqi regime had WMDs."char: "Not in February of 2003, they didn't. Don't you guys get sick of peddling this lie?"
Quote:iowan15: "What should have been done about Hussein?"char: "What we were doing before your boy George was hypnotized by the neocons. Contain him and deprive him of the means to threaten anyone outside Iraq."
Quote:iowan15: "So how many more troop casualties are 'commensurate' with the view you've just expressed?"char: "None. We should get out as fast as we can consistent with minimizing our losses."
Quote:char: "The rest of your post was flapdoodle."
Quote:char: "The threadbare prevarications and excuses peddled by Bush and repeated by his dwindling corps of dead-enders have worn thin a long time ago. You guys were just plain wrong about this invasion."
Quote:char: "It was not necessary; it wasn't even a good idea. You were warned by me and many others that it would worsen our position in the "war on terror" and cost the US in lives and treasure."
Quote:char: "But you beat the drums and marched off (metaphorically of course; it was never your butts on the line) behind the Dear Leader with an "R" on his chest, because that's what good little Republicans do."
Quote:char: "Well, it didn't work out so well for the country, did it?"
Quote:char: "(Though it did win you a couple of elections.) And rather than get behind a plan that will prevent more US deaths, you want to back Bush's double-down option because you think there's a tiny chance it might save your egos."
Quote:char: "That's not particularly admirable."
Quote:char: "If you're going to respond to this post, Iowan, could you confine yourself to Iraq rather than bringing in World War II and anything else you think is a sufficiently gaudy distraction?"
Quote:char: "I'm not going to follow you down any more rabbit-holes."
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